Secession petitions filed in 20 states. . . the chaos increases . . . ~J

I don’t know, but I suspect these petitions are filed in States where people don’t want to live under Obama. Hopefully, I’m wrong, but I haven’t got time to check it now. . . ~J

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President Obama President Obama waves to the crowd on election night. (Photo By Chris Carlson, AP)

In the wake of last week’s presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitionsseeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: “Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.” Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren’t uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

From the We the People site:

The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

“We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity… Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years.”

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40 Responses to Secession petitions filed in 20 states. . . the chaos increases . . . ~J

  1. cecelia langowski says:

    i think people that wantm to seceede are down right stupid or on some wacky tobacky. think this stuff through and think of thehell this would cause. are you planning to pay for roads, fire-fighters streets lights and everything else we take for granted how much would you be willing to pay to keep this state going? probably it would be a lot more than you pay now!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. tony lane says:

    i think kibitzer got it just about right,the real problems is not only voter fraud, most of these top candidates have alredy been selected by elite families funded and nurtured from 10 or more years ago,thats why these president do not run the country,it is under the complete domination of a shadow secret government,any president who takes control will finish like LINCOLN and KENNENDY,who were the two greatest presidents that you will ever have,so you see the people do not have a choice they have had more than a hundred years of treachery,they have been tricked into false flag wars that makes money for the dung beetly families of the rothschilds and the rockerfellers, thats all that i can call them because that is all they have ever done to the people,is to treat them like dung.

  3. maurburns says:

    Probably better off without him!

    • Jean says:

      I’m sorry, but when you respond like this, I don’t know to whom you are responding. It would be helpful for me because of the way I receive your comments ‘behind the scenes’ if you would name the person to whom you are responding. Thanks and hugs, ~Jean

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  6. White Feather says:

    Just read where Obama is considering making the SOPA chief who tried take control of our internet Secretary of State…..This does not look good for Obama being a creature of light…Monsanto over the FDA and now this…?

    http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/sos_berman/?source=fb

  7. Raine says:

    The North Carolina petition has gone from 6,000 this afternoon to over 12,000 tonight…it is taken very serious it seems here in this state…..

  8. I think it’s important to not talk about this subject with the term “States wanting to secede.” These are individuals hoping to get enough signatures in their respective states to lead to secession. To say that, for example, fewer than 400 people in my state wanting to secede means my state wants to secede is, well, it’s kind of funny.

  9. Jueseppi B. says:

    Reblogged this on The ObamaCrat.Com™ and commented:
    The folks at this blog don’t like the term “Racist Idiots” used to describe the “racist idiots” who file petitions to secede from the United States. Too damn bad because anyone who wants to secede from the United States because Barack Hussein Obama is elected President of the United States…..is a “Racist Idiot”.

    • kibitzer3 says:

      Sorry, Jueseplpi B.; you’re wrong.

      There’s a matter of principle going on here. And I’ll let my comment go at that. For now.

      Just couldn’t let you get away with your blanket statement.

  10. When I saw that my state, Oregon, was one of them, I knew this is just some extremist thing. It don’t get much bluer than OR. The article I read showed how many people had signed. By this morning, it was about 385 people in this state. I don’t think this is anything to take seriously at all.

    • Annie, this has nothing to do with blue states or red states Democrat/Republican, but with a much deeper understanding of people yearning for a regaining of their INDEPENDENCE and FREE-DOMINION that they possesed from their Creator when they came into this world.

      People should understand how trully magnificent they have always been, and be kind and benificent to their fellow man/woman, but never bow down to any other person, no matter their station in life.

  11. White Feather says:

    I clicked on the Louisiana link to see what it said and got a message…You have already signed…I HAVE????? What??? No way!! While I wouldn’t mind living in an educated state that left the union, Louisiana has several problems. The first is rampant racism and aside from that the fact that oil and chemical companies own this state whether we are in the Union or out. Our current governor is a despot who is completely on board with corporatizing education privatizing prisons. He has already sold off management of our very well run state health system.

    We have millions of barrels of toxic waste buried below our feet and in spite of the media propaganda that says we have had the best fishing in years….our seafood plants continue to close and oil continues to wash up on our shores. See the movie “The Big Fix” for the scoop on that. Worse yet the people who aren’t suffering (except perhaps for the cancer growing silently in their bellies) will fight their neighbor to keep the pollution. It is a no win situation and one I hope to leave behind when I retire.

  12. Jean says:

    J, ‘raciest idiots’ is best not used here. Many thanks and hugs, ~Jean

    • Jueseppi B. says:

      Then delete the comment Jean, but never tell me what to say.

      Thank you.

      • Jean says:

        I believe I did delete it. I’m not telling you what to say, but I am asking that you use polite, acceptable language here. Hugs, ~Jean

        • Jueseppi B. says:

          No thank you Jean, Racist idiots are Racist idiots here or anywhere they reside. Now delete this and don’t respond to me.

          • Bully Old Man,
            These people can spout off about cosmic vibrations and the earth ascending etc till they are blue in the face. It won’t make any difference. They apparently fail to see the actions of the republican party as being different from ours. They refuse to accept that problems must be solved ; not just tolerated and philosiphised about.
            The simple truth is that These Republican/Fascists are a bunch of “Racist Idiots”. That isn’t there reason for being; just one of the many forms of deception and bullying they use to try to force their way into power again. They nearly destroyed our nation the last time and would do it again.
            As for doing away with the Federal Government? Only a fool would even suggest such a thing. Do away with the state governments and let the people decide what kind of Nation they wish us to be. Government by State allows far to much room for oppresive; racist; homophobic; laws and ignores all of the people who would have to chose to move because they no longer agree with the laws of a state they have lived in all their life. Why should that happen? What if say; Texas passed a law that didn’t allow abortion but Rhode Island did; or Maryland? People begin to leave Texas in droves to seek a more acceptable government. Such a case (not necessarily this issue but possibly) has the potential of overburdening a State with refugees from the Fascist government of another State like Texas.
            What we need is one government for all States. A government that encourages education; work training; and work for all who qualify; BUT takes responsibility for the care of those that don’t. Those who CAN”T work.
            “A lot of it is due to a tremendous number of examples of voter fraud that have been coming out. Most for Obama (BO did not win a single state that requires photo ID to vote, e.g.).”
            The reason that Obama didn’t win in voter Id states is that those states are controlled by the Republicans who are using voter ID as a tactioc of voter suppression. WAKE UP

            “We must pray for our country. We must also pray for our president, however.”
            Pray for our country? Another example of you attempting to shuffle off the responsibility for the future onto a cosmic force. I believe in God but I certainly don’t believe he cares about this nation more than any other. God cares nothing for any nation. He cares only about people. People who develope an individual relationship with him.

            ” Americans are free, and many were not during the Lincoln years. That is now in the past. Slavery was horrible. Now, we are free to worship as we please, go to school, work for a living etc.”
            This is one of the most uninformed; naive statements I have heard. Only wealthy Americans are free. the rest of us are subject to the whim of their STATE government and the Federal Government as well. Freedom means free to do and behave as you wish and believe is right; as long as you do not interfere with the right of another to do the same. It means freedom to be who you are; not to force your beliefs on everyone else. Slavery? Gone? better take a look at our prison system and “Injustice system”.
            Many thousands of people; mostly black are held in conditions of abject slavery for imagined offences in order to feed the State. Only a blind fool would say what this person said above.

            I am so sick of hearing our people described as leeches; lazy bums; victims and slaves to the Federal Government.
            The government is waht we make it and what we demand that it be. And by the way. I’m wioth JB. Don’t ever tell me how to communicate or what wpords or language I can use. If you don’t have the backbone to allow open and honest comments here; if you aren’t able to accept the words and language used by the majority of Americans; and if you are not williong to allow the simple truth to be told; perhaps you would do better to avoid such things as politics and stick to something you know something about. Mayan Predictions; Pyramids; Ancient Aliens; Crystal Balls; and the I-ching. Leave the reality of life and the real work of building a free nation (which we are not and never have been) to those who are willing to take it seriously rather than leave it up to Mythology and Astrology.
            I am sure you will never allow this to post on this site. I disagree with you and don’t fit into your little “Zen Mutual Admiration Society” i.e.:

            “This looks great! You are such a strong woman and I admire you!”

            “You are a wonderful soul for all you are doing, many blessings to you!!”
            Just what is it you believe you are doing other than spouting Astro-Babble; Psycho-Babble; and musing about being something other than a human being?
            Musing is a great word to descibe what goes on here.

            musing
            absent-mindedness, abstraction, brown study, cerebration, cogitation, contemplation, day-dreaming, dreaming, introspection, meditation, navel gazing (slang) reflection, reverie, rumination, thinking, woolgathering
            English Collins Dictionary – English synonyms & Thesaurus

            muse  [myooz] Show IPA
            Part of Speech:
            verb
            Definition:
            think about, dream
            Synonyms:
            be lost in thought, brood, build castles in air, chew over, cogitate, consider, contemplate, deliberate, feel, meditate, moon*, mull over, percolate, ponder, puzzle over, reflect, revolve, roll, ruminate, speculate, think, think over, turn over, weigh

            In other words; Wasting time and energy fantizising about imaginary forces and spirits.

            You may be hesitant to post this. No doubt you will be. But you will see it and you will recognise the futility of your MUSINGS; I am sure. But like every Psycic; Medium; Seer; Reader etc. you will hide this in fear of being exposed.

          • Jean says:

            You know so much, Angry Old Man, and most of it I agree with. Instead of TELLING us that you have it all right, it would have been nice had you been willing to engage in a dialogue, so that you might learn that you, like every single one of us, does not know it all, that there are still things for you to learn. I am more than happy to post this Comment, so others can see and reflect on what you offer here, all of it, both the informed parts and the uninformed parts. I think, sadly, your anger is what is keeping you from seeing it all clearly, but you clearly are still in a place, or so it seems to me, where you think there is power in your anger. Maybe you even think that might makes right, that calling people names makes you right, that judging others makes you right, that being filled with hatred makes you right. In my opinion, it does not.

            Your anger, Angry Old Man, as I see it, blocks you from seeing much. What you do with my response is up to you, but I am not going to put up with ugly, arrogant tirades here from you or anyone, so if you come back, don’t come back here in anger. You will be wasting your time and energy. We don’t do anger well here, because it has nothing to do with what is good and caring.

            Thank you, and hugs,
            ~Jean

          • kibitzer3 says:

            Well put, Jean. I second your comment.

            There’s a way to put things, to engage in dialogue; and there isn’t. Just mouthing off serves, really, no purpose, except discharging. Not calculated to earn one many Brownie points. Besides, we’re all busy people, and don’t have time to wade through what are simply tirades.

          • Jean says:

            Thanks, Kibitzer. They haven’t returned :) Hugs, ~Jean

  13. Dale says:

    I believe the issue is that the average person is disillusioned with our Federal Government and rightfully so. Frankly, I cannot see the need for a Federal Government. Let the States return to individual Nation Status and decide what is best for each of them. The Federal Government can be reduced to an administrator with several secretaries, having no power to do anything but carry out the decisions of the States and arrange for Treaties between the States to behave as a Republic and report to the public all violations thereof. Eliminate the Federal Police Agencies but retain an elected Supreme Court with term limitations. There should never be a professional politician ever again. Federal or State political service should be treated as service and not a career.

    • Dale you have hit the nail smack on the head.

      This big overstuffed bird we call the federal government is clearly resonsible for the vast majority of the sad state of affairs that has led to the downfall ruination of our once wonderful country and they have to take responsibility for depleting the energy and depressing the spirit of many Americans so that they are now totally dependent on the government, in essence the dependents on big gov. have a slave mentality.

      Your solution would go far to bring sovereignty back to the states and the people that reside there. Each state could issue their own currency, thereby eliminating the federal resareve , this would end the debt money society!

      • jamie-Lee says:

        This is plain ridiculous. America was and still is strong because the states are together. To break away would mean a total change in the dominance spectrum, of the entire world. Do you people really think it would be better, honestly the united states works because it depends on each of its states. Without unification America is a weakling with no world voice and won’t be able to defend it self, or protects its interests or people. Each states credit rating would plummet, in the end you would have each state struggling to cope, and many would fall. One states weakness is another states strength, and that’s why America can claim world power. And anyone who is only aiding this because of racist intentions will not succeed.

  14. Becky says:

    Most of the petitions have been in the works for well over a year. They come from people who have studied HOW the Constitutional Republic was overtaken by the Crown (Vatican, Bank of England, Monarchy) illegally and unlawfully. They have a pretty strong case, with supporting evidence. This is an attempt to bring the USA back under Constitutional Republic status, as opposed to USA, INC, that is owned and controlled by the Crown, from inception, and via the Federal Reserve, which is ALSO owned by the same bunch.

    Whether or not there is a larger motive, or if there are factions organizing behind the scenes to do a takeover that will lead to more chaos, I don’t know. Obama bashing did not seem to be much in evidence in any of the groups I have heard speak of this – but I have been surprised before. It is a fact of life that racism is a core determinant in much of the South. There is a question, since it happened just after the election, but it would have happened, no matter who won.

    The issue is legitimate government. Talk about smoke and mirrors! When you realize HOW the “Citizen” “person” became “subject-to” the Corporation, it is almost beyond comprehension. This gang(The CROWN) has been well-organized. Their scheme of registration and securitization, and their ties to the Papal Bulls and the “deposits” in the Vatican, clearly shows a deliberate, determined pattern to enslave the population, and make it appear that we, the people agree with them.

    Most of the people filing petitions are well-educated in the law, the Statutes and Codes, and have legitimate questions that need answers. They have added depth to my own education. They are not crazies, at least the ones I know. They are thoughtful, reflective, and concerned. Some seem to be in the religious camp, but I have not detected extremism. FYI

    • Jean says:

      Becky, I think what you say is largely true. This planning has been going for several years, and when I was following it, as I recall I realized that they had no idea about governing from a place of consensus. They want to reestablish the duality system that we know, and I think if we ever do that we won’t get to make the changes we really need to make. We’ll just fall back into the same old ways of doing things. I don’t think that will be successful.

      It’s all quite complicated, but to work in a group where everyone has equal rights is an awesome experience, and in a Unity society, I believe that’s what needs to happen. It’s what the indigenous circle is all about . . . and out of that circle always comes wisdom and unity. People make decisions, and they don’t wind up being angry or feeling left out and sidelined by those more powerful. I’m so grateful I had the opportunity to experience it. . . .

      It was my impression these folks simply want to restore what we were supposed to have had . . . and I don’t think that’s the way to go. This, of course, doesn’t mean I’m right; I’m just sharing a different point of view for others to consider.

      Hugs, ~Jean

      • Becky says:

        As I read some of the petitions, I think this is an entirely different group. Those I am aware of study with people like Winston Shrout. (David Wilcock interviewed him about Maritime Law via the Keenan lawsuit).

        “Eyes Wide Open” is my opinion of these folks, because they have had to deal with foreclosures, court harrassment, and deceptive practices of bankers, politicians, judges, etc. Many are of a more conservative temperament, I think, though few bother with political dialogue, because they are too busy dealing with financial disasters caused by the policies of the bankers.

        What has impressed me more than anything is their willingness to help each other. They give of their time, with no expectation of payment of any kind. They freely share knowledge. They study together, seek to understand and follow the laws to hold accountable those who have abused the law for their own gain.

        In short, they are allies with us in ways that most people aren’t able to appreciate. I have enjoyed their addition to my education.

  15. Freddie says:

    Hello, Jean and Folks: I think there’s more to this than just disenfranchisement. The IntelHub ran an interesting story on this ‘movement’, from another pov: http://theintelhub.com/2012/11/11/15-citizens-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states/ . Whatever one thinks of their work, I’d say that article makes one stop and think about what might really be happening. Taken together with what is going on right now around Benghazi, Petraeus, Cabinet Member changes, arrests and detention of high-ranking military folks and a host of other things, I smell another kettle of fish brewing. Add in Fulford’s extremely interesting post today, and you’ve got quite the mix of volatile ingredients for a showdown. Stay tuned.

  16. crownpendant says:

    We must pray for our country. I agree that the majority of the people signing such petitions are simply trying to get the message across. Enough is enough. We must also pray for our president, however, I simply cannot compare him to President Lincoln. I do not see where the two can be compared. Americans are free, and many were not during the Lincoln years. That is now in the past. Slavery was horrible. Now, we are free to worship as we please, go to school, work for a living etc. We have a choice in this country. This last election proved that people have a voice. I may not agree with the electoral vote process but perhaps that can be changed. Now, let the people be heard. May our elected officials think more of their fellow countrymen and less of what is in the deal for them. Let them live by the same plans they put in place for all.

  17. Raine says:

    I agree Roberto, I think people have just had it with big government….if Obama is of the light, and is now safe to do what he wants, let’s pray it happens quickly……

    • kibitzer3 says:

      And if he isn’t???

      • Jean says:

        I’m sorry, but when you respond like this, I don’t know to whom you are responding. It would be helpful for me because of the way I receive your comments ‘behind the scenes’ if you would name the person to whom you are responding. Thanks and hugs, ~Jean

  18. debbymanynations says:

    I sure hope those living in these states on SSI or SSDI move or they will lose their income if this gos through

  19. Roberto says:

    I believe this is mostly a protest against big government.. If it is just against O, that’s sad.

    • I agree. These are all Republican states along with NJ, NY and OR, which is odd because they are Blue states. These petitions are filed at the whitehouse.org site, where anyone can file. In order for this to be legit, the request must come from the governors of these states through the legislative process. This is nothing more than disgruntled anti-Obama voters going nowhere.

    • kibitzer3 says:

      I have been following this thing on a number of sites, and it’s a bit more complex than that, Roberto.

      (1) A lot of it is due to a tremendous number of examples of voter fraud that have been coming out. Most for Obama (BO did not win a single state that requires photo ID to vote, e.g.); but a lot of the people behind it are just sick and tired of all of the corruption going on regarding the federal government, and want to get their own state’s responsibility back.

      (2) There are some sinister players lurking in the b/g of this initiative, that WANT to see the U.S. broken up; because the U.S. Constitution is the single most important stumbling block in their way to merging the U.S. into a region of their planned New World Order. Both the socialists and the fascists have their own versions of that slave-state initiative, but both camps want the Constitution out of the way.

      So this whole thing is going to require a lot of discernment – and for the citizenry to begin to look beyond the current ‘players’, and see the larger picture: that it’s time to leave the whole 3D play-action behind anyway.

      At least that’s my take on all this.

  20. So what. They think there will be another civil war or no one will care and they will just leave/? how will they support themselves?

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