The deeper issues, here, are not being addressed. But I think ‘they’ know this. It seems we are, once again, be distracted.
- On another note, I feel very distressed at the moment. I have just taken the time to read again very carefully the Protocols of Zion, and I am very sad to say that they resonate strongly with me. I fear deeply for the huge number of innocents! My life has given me much experience in the areas that are addressed here, and as I look back over the years since their publication, I can see the truth of these arrogant, sick words as they have played themselves out. I fear for the innocent, and I pray people will not forget their humanity. Perhaps our knowledge of these Protocols will be a good thing—something like knowledge that prevents a false flag attack. I pray so. . . ~J
Published: 10 January, 2013, 21:24
(Reuters / Jessica Rinaldi)
Widespread gun ownership and lax firearms controls were deemed major reasons for the US topping a list of violent deaths in wealthy nations. The study comes amid a fiery gun control debate, triggered by the fatal school shooting at Sandy Elementary.
The 378-page survey by a panel of experts from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, listed unintentional injuries, quite often caused by guns, among reasons why people in America die young more often than in other countries.
“The prevalence of firearms in the United States looms large as an explanation for higher death rates from violence, suicidal impulses, and accidental shootings,” read the recent study, based on a broad review of mortality and health studies and statistic.
The blame placed on firearms – that in the US are often being stored unlocked at home –comes amid an increasingly divided battle over American gun regulation. Fiery debate on the issue was triggered anew by the deadly shooting in a Newtown school. The massacre on December 14 claimed lives of 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Conn. – 20 of whom were children.
The study highlights “dramatic” numbers of arms possessions in the US.
For example, the United States has the highest rate of firearm ownership among peer countries — 89 civilian-owned firearms for every 100 Americans, and the US is home to about 35 to 50 per cent of the world’s civilian-owned firearms, the report noted.
“One behavior that probably explains the excess lethality of violence and unintentional injuries in the United States is the widespread possession of firearms and the common practice of storing them (often unlocked) at home,” said the survey.
The United States has about six violent deaths per 100,000 residents, says the report, that also reviewed Canada, Japan, Australia and much of Western Europe. None of the 16 other countries examined in the study came anywhere close to that figure. Finland, which is said to have slightly more than two violent deaths per 100,000 residents, was closest to the US in the table.
“Although US youth may be no more violent than those in other countries, they are more likely to carry a firearm. In a survey of high school students in Boston, 5 percent reported carrying a firearm,” showed the study.
The researches listed homicide as the second leading cause of death among people aged 15-24, adding that the large majority of those homicides often involve firearms.
“The presence of a firearm in the home is a risk factor for suicide: fully 52 percent of all US suicides involve a firearm,”researchers found out.
The survey revealed that the life expectancy for men in the United States ranked the lowest among the 17 countries reviewed, at 75.6 years, while women ranked second lowest at 80.7 years.
To explain this, the researchers examined three categories: the US health care system, harmful behaviors and social and economic conditions.
Thus, in addition to the impact of gun violence, Americans consume the most calories among peer countries and are involved in more accidents involving alcohol and drug use. AIDS and infant mortality have been also listed among reasons of lower life expectancy.
“With lives and dollars at stake, the United States cannot afford to ignore this problem,” the report said.
Gun control debate reloaded
The horrific Newtown shooting has once again sparked debates over the nation’s gun laws. Many politicians and public figures called for new restrictions, whilst gun rights defenders claim the ban on arms violates the second Amendment and will not stop shooters, because the “real problem is the criminal”.
Vice- President Joe Biden, whose leading a panel on the issue, formed after 20 schoolchildren and six adults were killed on December 14, kicked off a series of meetings on gun violence Wednesday. It will negotiate with gun-control advocates and gun-rights supporters.
His group is expected to recommend to Congress the reinstatement of an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.
President Obama has vowed to make gun control his priority as soon as he begins his second term on January 20.
The president said he believes that most Americans would support the reinstatement of a ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons [I don't have any problem with this; does anyone disagree with this? ~J] as well as background checks on buyers before all gun purchases.
It is interesting that among my circle of Christian Zionist friends that they are all fired up about Obama and have this irrational hate for this president. It simply astounds me! but upon further reflection that’s why Obama signed the Ndaa law. Its for them. The Zio christians. The only cure for many of them is to be put in a re-education camps and taught what the Bible says!!
They love the Zionist crimes! They love that violence! Yet they are cowards and call anyone they disagree with a heathen!! Yet, just look at those poor folks over in Palestine who fight with sticks and stones against those IDF cowards. That’s right the IDF are cowards in a real fight:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/08/235408/
Mr. Atzmon served with the IDF and that experience turned him to what he is today!
Shame, Shame, Shame to those Zionists your time is at hand!!! Read your Bible and give up your guns! Listen to that Prince of Peace! Go out side and feel the sun and things are really different.
What happened to me? I saw the light ’cause the World has changed and I guess I will be here when friends and family wake up from that long slumber……
Nine
The Duff article on Americans and guns a must read:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/04/press-tv-the-truth-about-americans-and-guns/
Mr Duff talks about American gun owners and there lack of honor or moral outrage against many freedoms taken away from us that are constitutional. Many I know cheer when a bomb falls in a foreign country as long as its one of “them sand niggers” and have no problem with quontonamo nor rendition or false flags and they will vote to cut the snap program for “those” people! They will cut off SSDI and SS and medicade and medicare which of course will just ravage the poor old and disabled!
They are of course those Zionist Christians. Just ask one of them who did 9/11 and wait for a response. Ask them about the Zionist crimes and wait for an answer. Ask them about being grouped at the airport!
What good is a gun in the hand of a person with no morality or honor nor truth in him? These reactionaries especially in the Red states will round folks up with said guns that they do not agree with. I fear them more than my Government and will remain armed to protect against them.
People without morals nor honor will ravage the weak if given a chance. I say take their guns and let it be done! That will spark reasonable people to think about things and it will help the cabal to fall faster…..
Nine
Jean you dont need to post this one, this is just in response to your experience-the despair is on purpose to affect us! DId you ever read the poem Tam Lin? Where the Queen of Faery tries to take Tam Lin but his lover is told to hold him fast no matter what. The Queen turns him into one horrible thing after another to force the girl to let go but she does not and in the end he is himself and stays with her. The Earth is Tam Lin and the lightworkers are the lover;-) We will hold fast no matter how much illusion they throw up to try and create fear and despair.
We have already won, they are just trying to trick us into giving up. You are doing great, don’t let them bring you down. Just picture-scared rats with a video projector and you get the real deal;-)
Much Love to you!
O.
Guns are used by patriots to fight back tyrannical governments. When criminals infiltrate, assimilat, rob, use and abuse. The bigger the better. Thank you.
Which guns do you use to take out the drones? Do you have any that can hit a satellite? Are they effective thru tanks more than a football field away while they are firing microwave cannons that melt your insides and possibly cause gun malfunctions?
If not perhaps consider getting more EFFECTIVE weapons because guns are not going to do anything except give the cabal the excuse they so badly want to break out their nasty hi tech toys and use them on the innocent.
Not saying don’t fight-just saying don’t fight ineffectively and drag innocents down with you.
If you have something other than a nuke that can deliver an EMP in a limited area you might have a chance in a direct firefight-until they call in the sat strikes.
If you want to resist the govt with weapons you NEED weapons that can stop their weapons or at least protect you from them. without that you are playing bonnie and clyde, or “police assisted suicide”.
Someone needs to report on all guns and other weapons owned by members and staff of Congress, House, WH; and their many bodyguards. BO just signed into law lifetime secret service protection for he and family, the treasonous bush clan, and their families !! (Paid for by you.)
Do you get protection? NO.
Just like Obamacare for you – and special insurance and medical care for them (paid by you).
Let me see and thunk opunk upom it…
Lead in Gas to spread the paints taint.
Flouoride my water and then it won’t…
Quench my thirst for love.
Bring me a peace dove….
mr. you r a better man than i…
and you can help pot with this number…
Yup left the typo in…
ETA
I remember stumbling across the Protocols about a year ago for the first time. I read everyone of them, my jaw nearly hitting the floor by the time i was done. Then i looked into the Talmud and saw much of the same just flat out hatred. I feel great sympathy for the vast majority of Jews that are loving and caring individuals but get grouped in with the Zionist/khazarian/Talmudic sects. Though it was a truly evil plan that TPTW came up with to enslave humanity and rule over Earth/Gaia, one still has to marvel at the complexity, planning and overall scheming that went into it all. In fact it was such an elaborate, well thought out plan, that the only logical explanation is that it originated with off world entities (humans just don’t plan for things that won’t happen in even their great great grandchildrens lives). I know this is a little off topic of the article, but all of this stuff fascinates me, and I am in an unfortunate situation where literally my entire extended family thinks i am a conspiracy theorist nut no matter how thoroughly i disprove certain things (sandy hook, 9/11, Aurora) with factual evidence. In addition to everything else, I showed my mother last nite that websites soliciting money for Sandy Hook families were created before it happened. “ahh it must be a typo” ahhh so frustrating, but at the same time, like another poster said, I incarnated here for a reason, it was my choice to take this on. The light showers need to BE the change we so badly want to see manifest. I love you guys/gals and aid in creating a vortex of love for all on earth and the universe.
The light showers need to BE the change we so badly want to see manifest. I love you guys/gals and aid in creating a vortex of love for all on earth and the universe.
Beautiful! Thank you! Exactly! I am so grateful for your comment I was getting to the end of my reserves of beauty and balance and very in need of seeing a comment like this;-)
I am sorry to say the vast majority of killings in the uS is black on black crime. Most of those killings are gang related. The stats listed in story are an obvious attempt to muddy the water. Four teachers with guns at Sandy Hook and it does not happen.
We are being lied to about Sandy Hook and the others. Why are there no interviews of teachers and law enforcement about the facts of the incident? all we get is gun control propaganda from the MSM. Honestly I wish there were no guns but there are. I don’t happen to own any and my only fear is that I endanger my family’s future by not having any.
Do you know how the teachers with handguns could effectively drop a man in full body armor before he killed them? I’ve never been able to get a clear answer to this one other than,”probably not” from my military pals…….
Your family is probably a lot safer with no guns for anyone to accidentally get shot by which is other big statistic for gun deaths in the US.
Metal doors with reinforced frames and double key deadbolts are more effective with less effort, unless you are a spy, and then all bets are off;-) since the folks coming to your house will likely be able to get in no matter what you do.
The best way to keep safe truly is to cultivate and promote community. the stronger your community, the more inclusive and loving and supportive it is, the less likely you are to experience violence. (unless your community is on top of oil that some rich folks want, and then you may be subject to drone attack, white phosphorous and other dreadful inconveniences at irregular hours)
I’ve been reading all your post, Ohnwentsya on this issue. You make some excellent points. What gets me in the current debate that arming people can be a deterrent for future mass shootings is how quickly collective amnesia has take over the 2009 mass shooting at Fort Hood. This was military base! If ever there was an area with lots of guns, weapons and people with training to use same I would think a military base qualifies.
From Wikipedia: The Fort Hood shooting was a shooting that took place on November 5, 2009 at Fort Hood, the most populous U.S. military installation in the world, located just outside Killeen, Texas.[1] In the course of the shooting, a single gunman killed 13 people and wounded 29 others.[1] It is the worst shooting ever to take place on an
American military base.[2]
Another example of a mass shooting of skilled, armed victims is a 2009 shooting of 4 police officers in Lakeland, Washington, south of Seattle.
Again from Wikipedia: The Lakewood police officer shooting took place on Sunday, November 29, 2009, when four Lakewood, Washington police officers were murdered at a coffee shop in the Parkland unincorporated area of Pierce County, Washington. One gunman, later identified as Maurice Clemmons, entered the coffee shop, fired at the officers as they sat working on their laptop computers preparing for their shifts, and then fled the scene.[1]
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Thank you Nancy! I had not even recalled those cases myself, but that is an important observation. Even in places with LOTS of well trained skilled gun users, lots of death still occurs from nuts with guns. I guess that is why the Wild Wild West is more entertaining in movies but has been discontinued in the real world(except in Florida and Texas, apparently!)
I think a lot of the slogans and catchphrases people use in political debate are just that-they are made to sound good but don’t really mean anything. They allow people to turn their brains off-they just repeat the catch phrase and it’s supposed to end all argument-and when it doesn’t they repeat it again, or change the wording a little.
I find this is true on all sides of politics and in many issues not just guns.
I suppose the whole exercise is to inspire us to access our higher abilities and perspectives in order to escape the frustration of this “hamster wheel effect” of endless arguments that go nowhere.
As long as we are still in the matrix, playing various parts, people have the right of self-defense from bad guys, either in the form of the collective – e.g., governments – or as individuals.
And just as soon as we leave the 3D matrix – of consciousness – behind, we can leave behind the props that go with it.
First things first.
you/we have the right of self defense but that is only one option among many-limiting ourselves to be passive victims or shoot people seems an immense failure of imagination to me.
We have plenty of examples of those who chose to leave the 3d mindset while physically living in 3d, and many of us have personal life experiences of doing so-is it not possible that the *way* we leave 3d is to make 5d choices and act on them moment to moment?
That takes more courage, imagination and drive than waiting for God to throw the magic switch and turn the 5d “on” for us, but it seems a bit more likely to have results that we can experience in our lifetimes.
I’ve been in the debate about this topic for days in a discussion group so please excuse my somewhat short tone if my text appears that way, I do not intend offense and am not an opponent of gun rights or the 2nd amendment.
I am only an opponent of limiting structures, Fear and waiting.
I am weary of watching people argue in my country over the most inane and pointless things for years on end while the seas and air and land are poisoned and descrated, while people and animals are poisoned, tortured etc, while what passes for human rights are afforded to fewer and fewer of the more and more elite classes.
(Someone pointed out to me the other day when I mentioned a post re needing guns to avoid fema camps that the fema camps are an illusion a spectre of distraction since we already have the largest prison population on Earth and literally every single violation people worry about needing guns to protect from is already done regularly but usually to non-white folks who apparently don’t “count” for some reason-tho they DO use guns to defend themselves from it sometimes-tho never effectively-I’ve heard)
We don’t have to wait for anything, there are no “powers” available in 5d that we cannot now access with our own determination and effort.
If we play by our controllers/enemies rules we play their game. Anyone who knows anything of military strategy knows that setting the rules gives advantage-so WHY allow them to define the field?
Ie they define guns and violence, power over and control as the field because they DOMINATE it already with superior tech.
There are so many more effective ways to defend ourselves than by shooting people.
(again not saying guns should be banned, just that the FEAR of banning them is exactly the same as the FEAR of them-it is still manipulation and control of our minds by those who see us as cattle)
I read a story about Alexander’s army and when they mutinied and forced him to turn back. He wanted to conquer a desert nomad people, so they chased these nomads thru the desert for days, always just in view but never able to catch them.
Low on water, exhausted, eating and breathing grit from the wind the soldiers were about to mutiny when finally they saw a group of the nomadic horsemen riding toward them rapidly whooping and yelling, swinging weapons.
The army got ready to enter battle, and watched in astonishment as the nomads rode past them, ignoring them completely, while chasing a rabbit.
Do you want to be the soldiers, or the nomads?;-)
I just happen to go to American Kabuki’s site and there is a rather intereresting article written from someone out of Russia about gun ownership. It might be of interest to some of you too.
NICK, I like your comment about Nostradamus and prediction given in a certain time frame and we, as humanity, have altered timelines and therefore outcomes.
Hey, dearest JEAN, it is not all just bleak – just look at KP’s todays message which is very uplifting, even if it might not be true. But I do understand your despair you seem so ‘sit’ in. I’ve been for over 10 years in the deepest of all holes (deep depression) and came out on top. Even without ever taking one pill. I fought it through with God and my and his angels. Sometimes I had a feeling that I had a myriad of angels looking out for me. And you have your very own ways of overcoming your momentary darkness, I am sure about it. BEST of luck -we do love you!!!!
B.
The article above is from the viewpoint of a culture that has been through the mill, on their own soil, numerous times now. In the United States, only the eastern states and the indigenous nations have much of any cultural memory of war on our own soil. All of the Americas, traditionally, have been more peaceful than the other major continents. War wears cultures out (at least that’s how I see it). They get tired of fighting because it all becomes meaningless after a while. That this has very little to do with the weapons used does not dawn on people in this state of mind. They see guns, particularly the modern automatic weapons, as one of the most effective body-killing devices ever devised on earth. And as they are tired of seeing bodies being killed, often in the own “back yards,” so they are tired of guns.
Yet, for how many years in Europe would have any gentleman of good standing thought to go out without a sword strapped to his belt? And when guns were invented, a pistol?
Does the European loss of appetite for weaponry constitute a social advance or simply a popular retreat from fighting? What distinguishes the U.S. in the eyes of Europe (perhaps) is the fact that at least some of its citizens are still battle-ready. While this means that Americans may get into more fights than Europeans do, is that necessarily a sign of mental, moral, ethical or spiritual inferiority?
I don’t think most of us here who have sided with the Europeans in this matter really give much thought to what the willingness to fight back really says about a culture. Sure there are better ways to “fight back” than with traditional weapons. But there is still a need of a willingness to do so, isn’t there? If not with the rifle given to almost any modern infantryman, then with what? We aren’t all Obi-Wan Kenobi yet, are we? And even light bodies, so I have been told, can be “killed.”
Though it is highly adventurous to attempt to control a situation with communication (or intention) alone (as we try to teach students of Scientology), that does stand as our ultimate “weapon.” Laugh in the face of someone pointing a gun at you, and he might even put it down. But how many Americans can you convince of that? People who are still willing to fight back want something to fight with. Most American gun owners think that something is a gun. Most American and European non-gun owners, would – it is my guess – give up and let themselves be killed if threatened by an armed individual. Certainly, many already have.
I grant it is a delicate subject and I may have left something important out of this discussion. I am just trying to get readers to consider some aspects of the situation that might not have previously been pointed out to them.
Guns allow people to be lazy and not think. I have confronted armed people on multiple occasions and I have never had a gun. I have a brain that is not dulled by feeling “protected” by a piece of violent technology.
Americans allow themselves to be made stupid and complacent because they have lots of guns-which will do them absolutely no good against a govt armed with Drones, mini-drones, white phosphorous and microwave cannons among other sadistic imagination toys.
Guns are a pacifier, and like a pacifier compared to a breast, they have no good in them, they are just a trick.
This debate is a purposeful limitation of imagination and possibility.
There are as many ways to fight back as we can come up with-limiting ourselves to we have guns so we fight back-which is totally untrue anyway. I’ve been fighting back my whole life and most Americans not only don’t give a damn they are actively antagonistic to the things which limit the power of the cabal.
Americans do NOT fight back-they like to TALK about shooting people but they don’t for the most part fight back in ways that are effective. Shooting people is not fighting back it is going along with the program of a colonizer society that promotes violence and disconnection, atomization and destruction of community and social bonds that create true safety and stability as well as freedom.
Guns are a distraction that allow people to pretend that they are brave when in reality they are actually hiding comfortably in the exact thing they supposedly oppose.
Please pardon my sharp tone-I am worn out and overwhelmed with the seemingly endless debate over should we FEAR guns or should we FEAR government?
Why can’t we stop living in FEAR and do something genuinely NEW??
I expected much higher awareness and understanding among the spiritual community but I have been horribly disappointed.
(I am only replying to you because I can tell from discussions with you before and what I know of Scientology that you are very capable of taking a long view and seeing things from outside of the programming, so I feel like I can discuss things with you without starting some sort of brawl;-) and not because i am arguing with you!
You make a lot of good points.
Do you have an answer to your own question: Why can’t we stop living in FEAR?
It’s a really important question and the right answer – in my view – would be really important too.
The reason we can’t stop living in fear, Larry – well; the primary reason in my book – is that we still think of ourselves in terms of ‘us’ and ‘them’ – i.e., that we are separate from one another. Only when we move into a state of understanding that We Are One – that the wheel of karma has caused us to come back over and over, just playing different parts, in order to gain awareness and raise our consciousness – can we move through this valley of the shadow of Death that we are in, in spades now.
It’s actually very simple, once one gets the hang of it, and is willing to release their ego (and endure its death screams, as it were). Reincarnation = We Are One Another; ergo, We Are All One. Of One Body, Entity, Being; through us emanations of Itself, experiencing Itself – for a Purpose, obviously. It’s no great leap to assume that the Purpose is to Grow, to higher and higher levels of Beingness – precisely what we facets of that Whole are doing on our souls’ paths. Which are individuated paths at this 3D level of duality; but which are now butting up against unity consciousness, on the next level OF consciousness – the 5th Dimension (the 4th being an emotional-body/Astral level). To enter the 5th dimension, then – where lies the answer to all our 3D problems – we need to give up our ingrained, and increasingly antiquated, notion of being separate from one another. Of being us’s and them’s.
It’s not a leap (after all these incarnations, it should be more of a relief). It’s just a decision. But it’s a decision that we sorely need to make. Soon. As our life circumstances – that we created – require us to move on. To say: Up.
Where neither moth nor dust doth corrupt.
Yes, this is a very basic false perception that people have. But how did it get there? And how do we remove it?
There have been teachers telling us to love our brothers – our fellow humans – for a long, long time. But just telling people to do it has not been enough, has it? There is a compulsive (addictive?) irrational component to this idea. It was originally needed in order for beings to do something they wanted to enjoy: Play games. If you play a game without postulating any separateness from your “opponent” then there is no challenge in it. You would always know the other’s next move!
So “We Are One” has been rejected by most people, except when it applies to fighting an external enemy. That’s why Reagan and others have mentioned that it would unify the whole planet if ET attacked us with a visible show of force.
Of course, a war is different than a football game. Why can’t more people reject the first while still enjoying the latter? People can be convinced, it seems, that other people can be their mortal enemies. At times in our history, this has seemed very very true. But the fact seems to be that a whole package of lies has been accepted by most people as basic stable data for living. If you could get them to give up all those lies, it would be impossible to start a war between individuals or groups.
The solution to this, as far as I can tell, is to dig out those lies one by one, get the individual to inspect each one and decide in a new unit of time if it is true or not. Apparently it’s a lot of work. But most people who do it think it was worth it.
Larry, as far as I can tell, you are always talking about intellectual solutions to our problems. My experience tells me that the solutions won’t come from our intellects – not ever. I’ve said this before, but you never address my ideas, but always continue on as if you don’t hear me – so I guess you don’t. I don’t know what else to say . . . Hugs, ~Jean
Jean, I think I get what you’re saying.
But I’m an intellectual and I even talk about spiritual growth in an intellectual manner.
I have received some Scientology processing, and it is NOT intellectual for the person being processed, but it is to a certain extent for the person delivering the processing.
As far as your assertion that “solutions never come from our intellects” this may be a misunderstanding of what is an intellect? To me, it is one word for the being’s attempts to know.
For a being that is very able, knowing is not a slow or imprecise process; one looks and one knows. For the rest of us, knowing involves the utilization of various perceptions, some more “intellectual” and some more “intuitive.” But it’s all basically intellect to me.
Another aspect of knowing is that if it doesn’t result in action, it usually isn’t very relevant. And learning to do things usually starts on an intellectual level, and then as one gets better and better at it, it becomes “a part” of the person, and the actions become nearly effortless.
For example, there is a simple Scientology process that a lot of people know how to do called the Touch Assist. To learn to do it, you start with an intellectual action; you study the instructions on how to do it. Then you practice it until you can do it more naturally. Then you actually try it on someone, and if you do it right, it should work. This gives you a “win” on your purpose to increase your knowledge. Then you do it maybe a hundred or a thousand more times. And then you begin to really know it. You see someone who needs an assist and you don’t even think about it; you get in communication, offer to do it or tell them you will do it, and do it, and they feel better as a result. Then people start to think you are a “magician.” No, you just learned something well enough to do it without even thinking.
This is even the process I went through to learn non-spiritual technologies I use like electronics or accounting. I have used these technologies so much, there are some core actions in them that I can do without thinking. There is a lot of figure-figure in these technologies, too. But like I said – I’m an intellectual. You can probably think of some technologies that if you don’t know them well enough to do them without thinking, you might as well forget it. In many fields, that’s the professional standard. But most of us start out quite unfamiliar with something “new” and have to work up to that place of total knowingness. There are some children born knowing how to play the piano (for example). But most of us have the consideration that we have to work up gradually to a high level of proficiency, and that’s workable, too.
You all make a lot of good points. I think it is true that by digging out the lies one by one(ie reprogramming our imprints ala Leary) we can overcome the fear, and also by simply recognizing as kibitzer says that we are all one and deciding to live it-perhaps there are as many ways to create this change as their are humans who need to change?
I think what we are doing-working on our own issues, supporting one another, praying, meditating, adding to the positive energy and good in the world thru those things and thru our moment to moment actions-all these are helping to end the fear but much like a drunk or drug addict, every fear addict has to make the choice for themselves.
We can the info out, we can encourage and support and pray, and demonstrate thru our own lives and actions but the big slowdown comes in that every single being has free will to choose and has to choose for themselves, in their own time.
I personally feel that if we who know these things do our best to live them, to demonstrate in our actions, our speech and writing etc in each moment the truth of reality being Love and not fear, then it will spread like a meme whose time has come;-)
I think it already is, there are just a heck of a lot of us that are still on the fence so it’s taking some time for the choices to add up to a visible change.
I thank you both, Larry Cox and kibitzer3 for your patience and kindness in your replies-and I apologize if my strained nerves when I was writing yesterday caused any aggravation. As much as I believe in living it and work on doing so I am not always the best at verbal/written communication.
I think the best thing we can do to counter fear and end it’s reign as a tool of manipulation here is to Love more, to give love in every situation we can manage, to spread love and kindness, compassion and care everywhere we can. Love to fear is like eucalyptus oil to germs;-)
Hello J, Oh yes lots of us have a major problem with this and so should you. After all these staged government criminal massacre events and all the other government (mafia) murders who is going to look after the average law abiding ex gun owner when it may come down to civil war. What you are saying after all you have said over the last 2 years of listening to you is give the government (mafia) all the power away from the average middle class law abiding citizen 99.9% and give the government (mafia) 100% control over the people to do what they like with. Come on Jean you must be getting tired. The US government no longer exists, the people need to take their country back………….what with sticks?? take back your country people we are with you. People of Australia
Civil war, like all other wars is a way to cause immense suffering. Why not remove the cabal without giving them the chance to take it out on the innocent like that?
They are not invincible, like every other group that conspired for control thru out history they govern only by the CONSENT of the Governed.
There are many many creative and effective ways to withdraw consent without putting the innocent in harms way.
(i am neither pro nor anti gun, but I prefer clean elegant solutions to bloodbaths and feeding the monsters-I’ve been studying it for almost 4 decades so I’m not just blowing smoke, there seriously are much more effective ways to remove them than using guns-guns are almost completely guaranteed to fail and to play directly into their plans, by giving them the excuse they need to pull out the super-nasty-tech and use it on the innocent)
The Cabal are also isolated and almost unreachable; some ARE unreachable. Their security is often more dense by FAR than that of the leaders of countries! And they have people in their service in ALL of the Intel agencies, DHS, the Mossad and others all over the world. The people we’d have to contend with are their SERVANTS: police, National Guard, US Army and other military services, etc. Those carry automatic weapons PLUS all the new high tech stuff, plus tanks and other military gear. If all the American people were left with was a few small caliber handguns (and Obama doesn’t even want to leave us THAT much!), we’d be in deep kimchee here, folks! We are anyway. The stats are fallacious, btw. Last I read, Big Pharma kills off 100,000 people per year – one MILLION every ten years – with drugs that were taken correctly. I’ve always remember mark Twain’s statement: “There lies, damned lies, and statistics.” He was right then, and he’s still right! As for the real situation and logic that works: 1)The Second Amendment says our “right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.” That means not meddled with AT ALL, PERIOD. 2) If you make guns illegal, then only criminals will have guns. That’s so obvious it’s impossible to argue with, but people do anyway. Regardless, if all law-abiding people who owned guns are disarmed, then they are ALL potential and LIKELY victims of violent criminals. In EVERY situation when guns have been taken away registered owners, away from legal owners, the violent crime stats shot up instantly. As soon as that was modified and people had their guns back, those stats dropped like rocks. and 3) In EVERY SINGLE CASE in which a country started out as a republic and was taken over and remade into a dictatorship, FIRST THE GOVERNMENT TOOK AWAY THE GUNS! Does ANYONE HERE deny that this government is shooting for dictatorship?? Take away the guns, and WE LOSE. Nothing left to say.
Ian
Ian
Ian, I hear your points, and I understand them-and if this were a purely political blog I might find them sufficient but I already know that 3d reality is currently set up to favor the violent, the corrupt and the selfish. I know that using guns of any kind, against a highly technological government is doomed to fail.
It is allowing them to set the parameters- to “Choose the Battlefield”. Any tactician worth a bean knows you NEVER let your adversary set the terms and choose the field-it’s like giving up in advance!
The point of discussing this on a spiritual forum, at least in my opinion, is to acknowledge that we do not have to allow them that luxury because we have tools that they don’t want to admit, we have other ways of addressing this that are much more effective.
I don’t personally think guns or no guns make much difference in the long run-tho they might in individualized short run situations. I’ve dealt with criminals without using guns so I know it can be done. But, I am not pro-gun control, I’m simply pro Truth, awareness and common sense.
Jefferson et all would have been shocked by the tech we face, guns are simply not tactical in this situation.
The more we cling to outdated nonsense like children sucking our thumbs in middle school the stronger we make our enemies.
If you want to enrich gun manufacturers your arguments are excellent, perfect even. If you want to eliminate the cabal/illuminati control of our planet they are falling far short.
I believe that both morally and strategically, nonviolent protest along with other separately pursued tactics will be more effective than helping the fear and suffering eating monsters create a bloodbath to feast on.
I believe that changing our society to one more based on Unity and Love than competition, greed and violence will do more to solve the problems than shooting people.
And I also wonder why the pro-gun folks are as unconcerned and oblivious about the very real problems of current legal gun use as the anti-gun folks are to the creeping(since 2000 galloping really) fascism.
Maybe if people could come together to really solve the problems instead of just repeating the slogans of their “side” we could move forward, but as long as kids are getting killed-not jsut in elemntary school and movie theater shootings, but in legal killings like Florida’s Stand your Ground law that allows things like the Trayvon Martin killing-the majority in America are going to fall for gun limiting rhetoric.
As long as we see other people in the 99% as “other” as enemies, as people we might need to shoot, or people we might need to be protected from by laws to limit their ability to harm us-we are going to remain PREY for the MONSTERS.
Guns won’t stop them, anti gun laws won’t stop them-the ONLY thing that is going to stop them is for the PEOPLE to come together in UNITY and WITHDRAW the CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.
When there is no longer an ability for the cabal to play “divide and conquer” they will lose.
Jeanie: Total mis-direction, stats can be made to speak the truth depending on the desired illusion. The numbers are ultimately malleable in the hands of the illusionists. As far as The Protocals,,,remember that just as Nostradamus made his predictions in his time, we as a species have literally altered the outcome of his visions by virtue of our Light consciousness. The same holds true for those malicious texts.
Love and Light,
well That’s a good way to look at it too – thanks, Nick!
Jean, I understand your distress…and if it helps, I deal with that sadness (for lack of a better word) by remembering that we have each Chosen this incarnation, for whatever reason. There were times when I was the abused innocent, and instead of wondering “Why?” I learned that my soul needed to live this life -
…hard as it is to fathom, the same must be true for them?
This is the most rediculous story againt guns I’ve ever heard, The depopulation plan from our old corp government is worse then anything. GMO’s, Chemtrails, Legal drugs, Flouride mind control, Harrp weather control,and on and on,without guns we would be dead for sure,they already have caskets,waiting, People ,wake up
Thank you for posting this for me.
I am not against guns, but I can’t understand how they help us against ANY of those things?
I had no idea that we were considered a wealthy nation. We are broke and we are 16.5 trillion in the hole.
Funny assumptions.
Cork 1, funny assumptions they most probably are. But the US is truly seen as the leader of the rich nations in the world – from the outside I might say.
What a crock…
that’s for sure,and I just made a comment here about what’s worse then guns that we live with every day. And hope it’s posted,because I don’t see it. and I didn’t say anything false.
It certainly is a crock. Death by what is euphemistically called Western “medicine,” death by fluoride and mercury, death by pesticides, death by conventional oncology, death by GMOs, death by nutritional deficiencies and starvation, death by weaponized viruses, death by chemtrail poisions, death by ubiquitous microwaves, death by engineered weather and earth disasters, death by pollution, all of these death by planned depopulation that actually cause the US to have the lowest life expectancy.
if there are 14 wrongs, adding a 15th hardly makes them right tho….
I think trying to deny the real effects of guns only weakens the argument for them-of course people get killed by guns, that is what they are made for!
We could certainly strengthen the safety of people from guns without banning them-but that would require everyone on all sides to stop the jerking knees and treat one another as beings with needs like their own, accept differences and work toward win-win solutions.
Since we have not yet banned toxic chemicals and more Americans die from these than maybe ANY other cause(heart disease and all other autoimmune disease including cancer have been shown to be affected by toxic exposure, whether from air or water or from the numerous consumer products that contain them) it’s unlikely we will ban guns.
I do think we would have a better time putting a stop to the many very real wrongs you mentioned if we could stop falling for the oldest “art of war” trick in the book-”divide and conquer”.
As long as we bicker about guns, abortions, gay marriage and a hundred other little differences that the cabal blows up into big (pointless)dramas, we are too distracted to band together and stop THEM.