SANDY HOOK — TRAGEDY, DRUGS, RIGHTS AND COMMON SENSE

Please, take time and acquaint yourselves with the facts in this post from Foster Gamble. If you feel so inclined, share them widely! Hugs, ~Jean

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:53:00 PST
Source: The Thrive Movement
by Foster Gamble
Thanks to D.

With the holidays and all the travel of I have been doing with THRIVE, I find myself missing being more in touch with this amazing network. I will be starting to share some reflections and my interpretation of the news on a few of the prominent issues of these times.

First I want to address the truly sad tragedy of the Sandy Hook massacre of children and teachers… Tears had barely begun to flow before the panderers started trying to use it to obscure critical thinking and take away more rights. With the utmost compassion for all the victims and their families, I invite us to – in their honor – look more deeply into underlying mental health, security and human rights issues.

The stakes are obviously high given the unprecedented government response to undermine the right to bear arms as highlighted in the Second Amendment. There are two key areas where facts and understanding are vital.

First, Adam Lanza was reportedly on an anti-psychotic medication called Fanapt.

Here is a completely mind-boggling, but still only partial list of recent incidents correlating the use of mind altering SSRI, “anti-depressant” type drugs with mass violence.

Here are two videos conveying the same message:

I have seen the behavior of people I know go totally bizarre on these drugs and get even worse when they try to break the addiction to them. The film The Marketing of Madness goes into great depth explaining and documenting this dangerous phenomenon.

I know one renowned psychiatrist, Dr. Rima Laibow, who has effectively treated mental illness in young people without using these pharmaceuticals. In this video, she mimics the viral YouTube clip “I am Adam Lanza’s Mother” to speak generically about the challenge of mental health care by truly listening to and interacting with disturbed young people.

Second, regarding so-called “gun-control”… I personally underwent a dramatic transformation in my understanding over a decade ago. For much of my life, I assumed that if we just get rid of guns, there will be much less violence and people will be safer. I finally encountered facts that made me think deeper.

Here are some hard facts that need to be integrated into any truly comprehensive critical thinking about the issue.

A Little Gun History

  • In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
  • China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

During World War II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

One of the hardest realizations to face is that the most dangerous murderers have been tyrants waging war against those within their own borders who disagree with them and might undermine their power and control. Most Americans think it can’t happen here, but it is already. In my travels, I have talked with people from Italy, Russia, Germany, Spain, Argentina, China and other countries who consistently share that the early stages of the destructive tyrannies in their countries were just like what is happening now in the US — as well as in the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Europe etc.

Watch What Happens When Guns are Banned in Australia:

Are we really supposed to believe that all of the following Draconian measures — occurring in the US in just the past decade since 9/11 — is mere coincidence?

  • Patriot Act
  • NDAA, FEMA camps
  • Military Commissions Act
  • Cyber-Security Act
  • National Defense Resources Preparedness
  • NSA 1.2 Billion hollow-point Bullets
  • Drones over US territory
  • Checkpoints in Malibu
  • Blackhawk Helicopter drills in Minneapolis
  • Tanks being moved around the country
  • Total Surveillance
  • TSA groping
  • RFID Chips
  • … and much, much more …

And that it just so happens that now the US government is going after civilian’s ability to protect themselves FROM THE GOVERNMENT!? A new leak seems to indicate that Obama’s new litmus test for military commanders is whether or not they are willing to fire on US citizens.

So the notion that the “authorities should be the only ones with powerful guns” has got to be unpacked to the next levels. Switzerland has one of the highest rates of armed and trained citizens and one of the lowest rates of gun violence.

The 2nd Amendment was not just about hunting or home invasion. Its primary purpose was to empower people to protect themselves from corrupt, authoritarian government. So if the tyrants have powerful assault weapons, what will sane people who demand freedom use to protect themselves?

But where do guns fit in with the Principle of Non-violation? The key is the “non-initiation of force.” Aligning with non-aggression does not preclude people from protecting themselves, other innocents and their property in self-defense. Mahatma Gandhi himself was an advocate of the right to bear arms and recommended “training in arms.”

Martin Luther King had armed guards (deacons) for marches in 1964:

Here’s Thomas Jefferson on the right to bear arms:

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms… disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

And of course it is critical for us to keep inspecting the actual facts themselves when a story fits the gun grab agenda in such a timely and perfect way. Look at the contradictions, inconsistencies and suspicious omissions in the Sandy Hook story — starting at 6:25 of this video:

and more in Jon Rappaport’s blogs here and here.

Obama is trying to impose as much of his agenda as possible by dictatorial mandate — what we now call Executive Order.

And how do the drug and gun issues come together? The mainstream press would rather keep the drug risks buried for now until the guns are taken. They also want to protect their top paying commercial sponsors — Big Pharma.

Here is an article that explains how “Psychiatrists Will Become Policemen”.

So what is the answer to all of this tragedy, posturing and authoritarian theft? I believe a thoughtful and careful transition to an entirely new paradigm of social organizing, where instead of political posturing about which right will be taken and who gets to grab what from whom, we move beyond coercive consolidation of power and force to the equal empowerment of all, where our morality and accountability can’t be hidden behind legislative authoritarian rule.

This requires a new way of relating to ourselves and to each other. So does living in a police state. I honestly believe that is the choice we are making…whether we work for true freedom or fall prey to the distraction of the ever-increasing “totalitarian tiptoe” that gun control surveillance, kidnapping, torture, assassination and all the rest represent. What true liberty means, how it works and how we can get there will be my major focus in the next two years — and probably the rest of my life.

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26 Responses to SANDY HOOK — TRAGEDY, DRUGS, RIGHTS AND COMMON SENSE

  1. lecox says:

    I respect the Gambles for what they have achieved with Thrive.

    They made inroads into an audience that has traditionally shied away from a more political approach to analyzing and handling the world scene. This audience, in my experience, is not sure how to communicate this uneasiness. But I think that it may boil down to some sort of idea that an interest in the hard sciences or the social sciences isn’t very “spiritual.”

    When someone like Foster Gamble tries to take apart the argument for “gun control” we have to remember that this doesn’t mean he is for the use of guns to handle life’s problems, even an imminent threat to life. It is because he sees what lies behind this whole “gun control” agenda.

    It’s the same way with climate change, population control, anti-poverty campaigns and other such public relations efforts. It’s not that they have no truth in them. It’s the lies they conceal that bring these campaigns into question. It’s not even that any of these campaigns are worthless. It is only that, as they are presently constituted, too many seem to be in the wrong hands.

    To the criminal element on this planet, guns are very important. To many of the rest of us, they are not. It is the contention of the Foster Gambles of the world that the US Second Amendment recognizes this importance, on the one hand, and this disinterest on the other. The question remains: What will happen if push comes to shove. Will you willingly walk into a hole in the ground and allow your body to be killed by a soldier, or will you be shot by a soldier while performing some act of resistance? How many would rather remember such a lifetime as a time in which they chose the latter instead of the former? It’s true: They can kill us if that’s what they really want to do. But most of them don’t want that so much. What they want is for us to show our willingness to be controlled by them. Fighting back with a gun is one of many ways to refuse to show that willingness. I think people should have that choice.

    And of course, on top of all that, “gun control” won’t work for its intended goal. As has been demonstrated in this article, it never has and it never will.

    It’s not a matter of whether those overcome with evil intentions will attempt to carry out those intentions on the rest of the population. It’s a matter of how the rest of the population would respond to such an attempt.

    As an aside, I appreciate Foster’s mention of a CCHR film (Marketing of Madness) in his list of references concerning this subject. The contributions of myself and many others of my persuasion helped make that film possible.

  2. George Noble says:

    How many guns did Jesus or any of the masters carry? Even the samuri warriors eventually learned better than to fight. Arming, carrying guns today is a revelation of your own inner fears, egomania and stupidity—and those fears will eventually manifest, bear (a bitter) fruit. So the 2nd amendment’s time of relevance has long past. Examine and deal with your fears warriors. The battle, our armegedon is personal—within each one of us and can be fought by each of us only for ourselves! Your fear of death, attachment to your physical form, represents the greatest of these fears. It’s the one Jesus wrestled with on the cross. How much death and killing does there need to be before you learn death is not real—that we exist beyond this 3-D dimension? Find and do your personal spiritual practice(s), and build your selves in the process and our heaven on earth. Stop investing in the culture of death to which guns belong and begin to build the culture of life, eternal life.

  3. Kevin Dunn says:

    Bravo Doreen…it’s about time someone presented what is behind all the chaos that so many are in denial of…folks, it is time to remove the blinders…for those of you that don’t know, really know, what agenda 21 is all about…it is time to do your research, your study, your awakening…and you will not like what you learn…but if more of us don’t learn what agenda 21 is about…well, to begin with, we sure wont be “chatting” on the internet…it is the total loss of individual freedom. And yes, a total dis armament will be part of it…folks, it really is time to wake up. We have overslept long enough, and hitting the snooze button is not going to cut it any more. Agenda 21 is being implemented everywhere, around the world, and before we know it…the dots will be connected…and it will be too late to do a damn thing about it. I urge you, that think it is all conspiracy, to open up your minds, to seriously do the research…maybe even read all 351 pages of Agenda 21, before it truly is too late…and a good beginning is watching the 14 min video that Doreen shares…and understand what is being brought forth. In gratitude

  4. BREAKING!! Australian Politician Ann Bressington Exposes Agenda 21 & Club of Rome http://youtu.be/pEPk4kBacWM

  5. Okay, the Soviet Union took away all the guns. Then how did the Soviets defeat the Nazis in WWII ? 80% of the German army was busy fighting a losing battle against the Russian forces when D-Day was launched. Then there was 1989. The Communist govt. of Russia was brought down. The Berlin Wall was torn down by the people and East Germany’s govt. came apart. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Ukraine, Georgia… all of them were brought down. Did the people do this with guns ? I don’t seem to recall anything of the sort. Are guns really the answer? Do we all need automatic weapons to use against the government ? Should we start para-military training and building bunkers and hoarding canned goods ? Or is this paranoia-hysteria that could drive us to self-destruction ? I have found with people who love their guns seem to be in favor of limiting human/civil rights and kind of like a little tyranny, to intimidate ‘liberals’ and others who may disagree with their views. They would rather not spend a lot of time reasoning things out. The gun is the quick solver of problems. For some people guns have become a kind of addiction, or perhaps the power/violence they represent. A lot of you seem to think there is no other way out. I sense there might be. I can’t say for sure but I can’t help but feel that guns would only bring us tragedies and disasters and predatory/illusionary victories.

  6. Philip Sommer says:

    Certainly Jean and DavidG,
    As a young man in 1969 I was faced with a tyrannical government conscripting my generation. My response to this tyranny was to burn one half of my draft card and then send the other half to then President of the United States of America Richard Nixon courageously explaining my action. I defended my liberty without a gun or violence. As a result, soon there after FBI agents arrived at my parent’s house to confiscate me. I would in no way accept this nor a judicial punishment. I left that evening for Canada, an experience my father supported but was heartbroken to his death.

    I was considered by many in society and in particular the militia movement to be a coward and a traitor but I assure you I was neither. I have experienced the militia movement first hand. I am not concerned if a large number of people see this issue very differently. Militias and people with guns will not retain freedom.

    Yes, DavidG, I am alive certain of my what I am saying and yes I do know how to protect my liberty because liberty is in the mind.

    Philip

    • Jean says:

      Philip, it is interesting how experiences inform, teach, and mark us. . . Thanks so much for sharing. Hugs, ~Jean

    • George Noble says:

      I’m grateful for your light & comments here Philip. So few understand this…..and it does take a lifetime of cultivation practice, everyone- There are likely several ways to achieve and practice this “freedom of the mind”—the one I know was popularized by Ernest Holmes’ Science of Mind books & churches, today known as Centers for Spiritual Living or CSL. New Thought, some call them. Until people learn that what they put their attention on, think about, reveal through their attitudes is the way they are creating in their lives (and we are creating collectively), we cannot begin to build a peaceful & ordered society. We are already masters ourselves and need only to be awakened to this fact and learn how to use our god given gifts and tools. Remaining in the delusional thought field of belief that every one is separate from everyone else will not serve us.

  7. Philip Sommer says:

    In Canada we do not have the right to bear arms and we have gun control. I suspect that, in your (Gamble’s) view, we face a Stalinesque or Hitleresque future but in fact we do not.
    The notion that a society assumes freedom and or liberty comes from a barrel of a gun is delusional, paranoid and pusillanimous .
    I, as are many others, am tired of the 2nd amendment distortion. Why would anyone want to be subjected to vigilante authoritarianism?

    • DavidG says:

      Philip are you certain you do not face a Stalinesque or Hitleresque future? What gives you that assurity? Here in UK we have no FEMA camps and also we have no right to bare arms. The last man standing is USA, once that falls then we will soon see why England and Canada and everywhere else has no FEMA camps. These camps are not meant to detain. History will explain what happens when Fascist supremecy arises to the surface. Now where did those Fascists end up after WWII? Are you dead certain of what you are saying?

    • Jean says:

      Philip, there are a huge number of people who see this issue very differently from you. I think calling the work of a militia to retain our freedom from a government gone awry is a lot more than vigilante authoritarianism. How much have you actually read on the subject? I ask this, because I’m wondering how you reached your decision. . . Hugs, ~Jean

  8. T. Klingert says:

    Jean, well said. I think people are so busy just trying to survive, that they don’t have time to see the bigger picture. The past administrations have done such a great job off creating a huge division between democrats and republicans, left versus right. When in reality they have both passed the patriot act and the NDAA and keep voting for all these illegal wars. Most of our congressmen and senators are bought by lobbyists. Just google how much a congress person or senator was worth before they spent 12 years in congress. It is shocking. The thing that concerns me the most is all the guns and bullets the government is buying lately. I wish folks would stop looking through their red and blue colored glasses and see each day how the goverment( red or blue, right or left, republican or democrat) has chipped away our inalienable rights. The only way to stop this, to to stop feeding the beast. Can you imagine if when our 2012 taxes came due, we all just wrote on our tax return NO. I will not support your illegal activities anymore. Maybe then all the suppressed technologies would feel safe to come out and we could start living like FREE people.

  9. DavidG says:

    Thrive is a great movie untill the end. The solutions offered are dull and uninspiring, like a half arsed finger in the dyke.
    Apparently there was a post relating to OPPT on the Thrive website that was removed so that makes me wonder what agenda is at play with regard to Foster Gamble. Why don’t these commentators offer a sensible response to OPPT? Perhaps a realistic solution has already been provided but either mischievious agenda is in play or folk are to brow beaten to see escape when its right there.
    Drakes dissmissal of OPPT during his latest show was bordering on hysterical saying the Rockerfella’s had run away with OPPT finances LOL – He just does NOT get it !
    The PEOPLE are the finance.

    I just wish respected commentators would take a sensible aproach to what could possibly be the most important breakthrough.

    • Elaine says:

      Hello David,
      I would love to believe in the OPPT just as I loved to believe in NESARA but now I’ll believe it when it comes into our collective virtual reality.

      • DavidG says:

        I understand what your saying Elaine, there seems to have been so many let downs and everyone is done in with glimmers of hope that seemingly fade to nothing. I even heard that nothing happened on 21/12 but I would seriously beg to differ. Change is an ongoing proccess and from my perspective it is accelerating, looking at all events unbiased and unjudging all I can say is WOW!

        It would be nice to see community pulling in the same direction, the end result is inevitable anyway. The old world is dissolving. I continue to study OPPT and I can not so far report anything negative. Those that do I can only assume they have not took the time to understand, especially with regards to Drake.

    • Jean says:

      David, you may belittle Thrive’s ending, but what you learn in a very short amount of time is what it took me several years to dig up on the internet on my own . . . With a topic as large as this one, no one can be everything, or have all the answers. It’s too easy to be critical, but I have to tell you knowing what I know and how hard it was to learn it all, I find it far more easy to be grateful to Foster Gamble and his wife. Hugs, ~Jean

      • DavidG says:

        Jean, I do agree with you on the major content of Thrive. I just thought the end let it down some. I would still point people to that movie without saying anything negative, I let them make their own descision.

      • DavidG says:

        Baring in mind Thrive was written a while ago now in relative terms and so much has shifted. I don’t consider the real solutions difficult to understand and any solution that involves monetary continuem long term is not a solution. That will lead obviously to same old. Control and greed is not the way of new world.

  10. Steve Gordon says:

    I don’t get your point about the things that happened by government to people without guns and the United States. It is apples and oranges and completely irrelevant unless you are saying our government is going to now go around and round up defenseless people and exterminate them. This is just another example of scare tactics. That said, I don’t think gun control ALONE will resolve the events that have been happening. Actually living in a free society I don’t know if there is an effective control that will halt these events. And…that said, nobody has advocated taking all the guns away and thousands of people are turning in their guns voluntarily. Your arguments leak like an old wooden bucket where Henry didn’t listen to Liza and cut the cork to plug it up.

    • Jean says:

      Steve, maybe you are new to some of these ideas, but that is exactly what people are thinking and saying. Are you aware that there are FEMA ‘camps’ around the country? Are you aware of our many rights – as mentioned by Foster and others – that have already been taken away? Do not think it couldn’t happen here . . . we are in a huge battle against those who wish to control the entire planet. I know this is very difficult to believe, but before you throw up your hands and say we are crazy, I suggest you have a look at the very real facts . . . Hugs, ~Jean

    • Terry says:

      I ask that you research the money behind Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and Mao. The same money (Rockefeller and Rothschilds) is behind Obama and his czars/advisors and behind Bush and his NEOCONs. Why has DHS purchased 1.3 billion 10 mm hollow point bullets?. What about the massive amounts of body bags and caskets purchased by FEMA. Please WAKE UP. We started loosing our freedoms in 1913 and we will only get our freedoms back by shinning the light on the darkness in our governments and both major political parties.

  11. Gregory says:

    Thanks for posting this. I didn’t know until now that Foster Gamble was a right wing gun nut. I’ve lost most of my respect for him.

    • Jean says:

      I’m sorry, but why do you think our Founding Fathers wanted us to have guns? So that we could simply go hunting? Gregory, I think they knew the problems of control that we are facing now. . . and I think they knew that our having guns would help us to stay in control of our own government. We, as a people, and in general, have been asleep for a very long time, and many of our freedoms are now gone. . . Hugs, ~Jean

      • Gregory Whitfield says:

        He uses the NRA technique of implying that all guns will be outlawed which is completely dishonest. There will be millions of handguns and rifles unaffected.

        Then he accuses Obama of being dictatorial because he uses the Presidential rite of issuing Executive Orders, something Bush did all the time. These are arguments of the far right and I thought Gamble was somehow bigger than that.

        If people think they are safe from their govt because they have automatic weapons, how are they going to stand up to drones and tanks? Most of the right wing had no problem over the last half century voting in politicians who were on the take from military outriggers. Now we’re reaping the vile fruits of those relationships and it will affect us all, even us pacifists.
        Kisses,
        Gregory

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