‘It Ain’t Necessarily So’ – List of Cliven Bundy’s Supporters, Now That We Know He’s a Pro-Slavery Racist

It’s always been my habit to choose to look at the tough news — or what might appear to be tough news, so that I have a chance to take it in, consider, adjust to it, and most certainly so that I don’t get hit with it when I least want to be hit with it, that is, by surprise.

I took the opportunity to take a look in general at The Wire, and I find it is a party-line publication. For instance, Russia is at fault for not upholding the recent Geneva Accord. It’s given as a statement of fact. They haven’t done any research, or if they have, they are suppressing it. Regarding this particular article, when the Southern Poverty Law Center is referenced as calling Bundy a racist, I pretty much know the lay of the land, and realize I don’t need to waste my time.

While I can’t yet come up with any answers for what this article is saying,  I’m not going to bother to find them. It doesn’t appear that it is worth it my time. Perhaps these people are being pressured. We all know how that works. . . my way or the highway, and that ‘way’ is so over, done with. Still, I think it behooves us all to have a look at an article like this. . . so we learn how to deal with them all when we see them. ~J

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The Republicans who withheld their support for Cliven Bundy were rewarded on Thursday morning when The New York Times‘ Adam Nagourney reported the Nevada rancher is a grade-A, pro-slavery racist. The ones who took the Bundy bait are changing their stories.

As Nagourney describes it, Bundy is enjoying his newfound fame by sharing his views on a number of policy issues, including race, welfare and whether the “Negro” hasn’t been hurt by emancipation. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton,” Bundy said. “And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” Last week, Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center argued that the Bundy militia’s philosophy descends from “racist, anti-Semitic violent groups.”

Several Republicans have avoided talking about Bundy, as have major political groups. As Politico noted last week, even the Tea Party Patriots didn’t comment on the situation. But a few conservatives couldn’t resist the opportunity of throwing their lot in with a budding anti-government movement to further their own political careers. Here’s what they said when Bundy was just a renegade cowboy, and what they’re saying now.

U.S. Sen. Dean Heller

What he said then: Last week, during a debate with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Heller said that he thought the Bundy ranchers were patriots. “What Sen. Reid may call domestic terrorists, I call patriots,” Heller said. He added that he wanted hearings to figure out “who’s accountable for this.”

What he’s saying now: Chandler Smith, a spokesman for Heller, said the congressman “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.”

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott

What he said then: Abbott didn’t come out in defense of Bundy so much as his ideas — he used the media attention surrounding the Bundy stand off to highlight federal land claims in his home state. “I am deeply concerned about the notion that the Bureau of Land Management believes the federal government has the authority to swoop in and take land that has been owned and cultivated by Texas landowners for generations,” Abbott wrote in a letter to the BLM this week. The letter echoed Bundy’s language, as he argued his family has also owned the land for generations.

What he’s saying now: Laura Bean, Abbott’s spokeswoman, told the Times that the letter “was regarding a dispute in Texas and is in no way related to the dispute in Nevada.”

Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore

What she said then: Nevada’s Democrats were quick to call out all the local Republicans who supported Bundy, including Cresent Hardy, Niger Innis, Adam Laxalt and Michele Fiore.

Fiore spoke with both Sean Hannity on Fox News and Chris Hayes on MSNBC to argue the Bundy cause. Hayes spoke with Fiore over video, as she was attending the Bundy ranch barbecue. She stopped short of saying that she agreed with Bundy in not recognizing the authority of the federal government, but questioned the heavy handedness of the BLM. “I’m not saying I agree with Cliven Bundy, what I’m saying is, the way this was handled was really suspicious.” Fiore doesn’t believe Bundy owes the government $1 million in unpaid grazing fees — it’s probably closer to a couple hundred thousand.

Fiore has also argued that the cows retrieved from the BLM were poorly treated:

What she’s saying now: Fiore hasn’t commented publicly on Bundy’s statements yet. The Wire reached out to her for a comment, and we’ll update if she responds.

U.S. Sen. Rand Paul

What he said then: Like Abbott, Paul focused more on the policy issue. “There is a legitimate constitutional question here about whether the state should be in charge of endangered species or whether the federal government should be,” Paul told Fox News earlier this week. “But I don’t think name calling is going to calm this down,” he added, referring to Reid’s “domestic terrorists” remark.

What he’s saying now: Nothing. Paul’s team said he was unavailable for comment.(Update 9:55 am: “His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Paul said in a statement.)

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39 Responses to ‘It Ain’t Necessarily So’ – List of Cliven Bundy’s Supporters, Now That We Know He’s a Pro-Slavery Racist

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  2. phair2 says:

    I agree with Bundy on the “race” issues. Why? Because he is expressing an opinion, a feeling. And he should be allowed to do that. When he poses the question: Could blacks have been better off if they were not officially “emancipated” through government force?? He is not stating an official policy. He’s asking a philosophical question. He’s not saying they should become slaves again. He’s not saying we should go back to that way of living. He’s trying to get people to understand that they are not any freer or not much freer than they ever were to begin with because now they are enslaved by poverty and government dependence. The government has now become their “Massa”. Drug abuse has become their whips and chains. The government and it’s banker oligarch owners wanted the black slaves “free” so they would leave the Southern farms and move North to work as new virtual slaves in Northern factories where they would be enslaved in factory towns and live no better and sometimes even worse than they had lived.

    • Jean says:

      I thought I answered this already, and I hope you have not commented twice :) It is absolutely necessary in order to function at a higher level that we learn to listen to any opinion that is presented respectfully. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think you are absolutely right in what you present here. . . Thanks and hugs, ~Jean

  3. Angela says:

    Personally, I don’t care if Cliven Bundy is a cross-dresser. He has the right to his own thoughts and beliefs.
    THE POINT REMAINS that the Corporation called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has NO legal authority to create the BLM. And the BLM has no legal authority to point guns at citizens on their own property, to Taser citizens, or to assault pregnant women or anyone else. The BLM has no legal authority to rustle cattle (steal private property). The BLM has no legal authority to destroy private property such as water lines, water, tanks, or land. The BLM has no legal right to abuse animals such as herding them with helicopters, tying and kicking a donkey who was exhausted after chased for miles by their helicopter, and killing and burying cattle.
    THE POINT REMAINS that the Corporation called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is using various illegal techniques to hoodwink WE THE PEOPLE who have remained ignorant to all of it.
    THIS IS TYPICAL of lamestream media with their scripted “news” and their “spin” and their lack of
    integrity and lack of investigative journalism. Lamestream media is a major problem in Amerika as it creates lies as truth and truth as lies. Because they have NO moral fiber I do not hold my breath or any change by any of the propagandists.
    GET BACK ON TRACK PEOPLE – THE ISSUE REMAINS that the Corporation called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the private bank called THE FEDERAL RESERVE is robbing WE THE PEOPLE BLIND

    • Jean says:

      Thank you, Angela . . . I’m chuckling, but you have sooo hit the nail on the head! As long as people express their opinions respectfully in a forum, they are entitled to be heard AND respected. We are not required to agree with them, but I don’t think we have the right to shut them down just because we don’t agree with them. So many of us here have suffered our entire lives from this go-along-to-get-along attitude, to the point where we felt we were being strangled as human beings. . . We mustn’t allow this now! Hugs, ~Jean

  4. SPLC and ADL sponsor police chiefs to attend training in Israel–learning tactics of controlling the population which are used by the IDF (Israeli Defense Force). That the retired colonel who led the militia at the Bundy ranch suspects Israeli soldiers were part of the BLM team should be a wake-up call for all of us that the US is clearly occupied (by Israel–zionists) territory.

  5. gear13 says:

    Beware of the cabal’s deception practices the non sheeple widely aware people most common days are quite a bunch we all know about ,like racism, home terrorism, discrimination according religious or poliical ideology,once we all become more aware of these playgames from the cabal the less deception there is going to be

  6. jimisroom says:

    This issue is not about race. This issue is about privatization, and intimidation and rule by gun point.

    Why isn’t anyone talking about SWAT teams being used to serve warrants on student loan fraud? Or the several folks that have been maimed or murdered after having a SWAT team raid the wrong house? I barely missed getting in the crossfire of someone getting pepper sprayed getting off the train one day. The LAPD fly their extremely loud helicopters over this neighborhood 24-7, often waking people up at 330am. And people pay upwards of $4000 a month for rent in this neighborhood.

    Overwhelming brute force is being used everywhere, no matter the colour…why?

    And, the power’s that be continue to steal from us in many imaginative ways. Privatization has been what we’ve been up against since Margaret Thatcher and Reagan. It’s beginning to reach critical mass now, as people are beginning to figure out our national and planetary wealth has been stolen.

    There is no reason for the common man to be struggling, and suffering SWAT raids while the 1% of the 1% continue to steal from us.

    So why is Mr. Bundy bringing race, much less slavery into this? The media will have a field day. Not a wise idea. Several million were killed during that genocide, so…I really don’t believe anyone thinks they were better off. Not to mention their families were ripped apart! They had no families!!!

    Someone get this guy a copy of Roots! lol

    Okay…enough said. Thanks Jean.

    Back to writing about UFOs..

    • Jean says:

      I’ll bet you that the press engaged him in the ‘race card’, knowing full well what they did. It was a gotcha’ situation, but it is on film . . . and the truth will be known. . . :) Hugs, ~Jean

  7. One day we will see a real reporter that knows what they are reporting to be true. As of now and the past they have not done this. I think things are so twisted they do not understand what is said. Maybe thats why they do not understand the Constitution and what it means. To think they run the Country is why we are where we are. Good thing is we can only move up as we are on rock bottom at this time.

  8. Alex says:

    Oh yeah, this is full of holes all over the place. It is a hit piece. Same tactics as usual. Anyone who does not agree with the cabal is a racist. We know this. It is so boring hearing them pull the same chain over and over again trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I remember they said the same things to discredit Ron Paul with no basis. They call Alex Jones a racist all the time without giving any examples or proof. Here they have no link or audio of Bundy saying anything or it is deranged and taken out of context. Black fought for their civil liberties in this country and now we all are. It is the tactic of the cabal minions to divide us by creating a false racist issue, when we all are actually in the fight against these criminals together.

    Do you see how that works? Divide and conquer. If they can get us fighting amongst ourselves then we do the job for them. Old hat, old hat, old hat…. problem for them is, we are wise now to their old tricks and they are not working anymore. Bundy is not a racist because they are calling him racist. They can not win any other way but then to resort to race baiting. It is utterly disgusting. Anyone who falls for this sort of propaganda is simply still sleeping in their matrix of fear and lies. Step into the light. Free your mind and the rest will follow.

    • Alex says:

      Also look at the link they provided as evidence for what Ron Paul said. It is a link to Politico that smeared Ron Paul all throughout his campaign, smudging the vote counts, lying about what was happening at the caucuses. Utter nonsense, pure and simple!

      • Jean says:

        See, Alex, I knew it would be out there, but I just didn’t have time to look for it :) Hugs, ~Jean

        • Alex says:

          But you EXPOSED it!!! And that is what we have to do. It is what you do. Because you SEE them Jean. You see them and the hellish world they want to bring down on us, because they can’t stand for someone to stand up and look them in the eye and say “NO”!

          Thank you!

    • Jean says:

      Yup, and unfortunately the sheeple will follow this . . . they don’t want to think . . . Hugs, ~Jean

  9. Shar says:

    This sounds like a distraction or smear campain. Using the race card to cause division perhaps?
    Regardless of Bundy’s religion, political or personal beliefs, the bottom line is, do the feds have the right to go in and threaten at gunpoint? Do they have the right to slaughter his cows and destroy property? ( Or for that matter do they really have the right to slaughter wild horses, burros, or tortoise? They claim to do it for the sake of the animals. We know that isn’t true.)

    If a person is a criminal that doesn’t mean it’s ok to frame him. He still has rights to a fair trial, the Bill Of Rights and the Constitution still apply.
    The issue is still did the feds have the right to go in as they did? The answer is still no.
    If these allegations are true, let us pray for enlightenment to come to Bundy.

    PS. I noticed in the channel 8 news video the reporter still said Bundy was grazing cattle illegally. The NV governor has said in other articles Bundy did not owe anything.

    • Jean says:

      Yes, in the post on the Daily Bell today, I suggested people take a hard look at the Related Articles. The smearing has begun . . . Hugs, ~JEan

  10. jimisroom says:

    Just the other day, Phillipe Holland was delivering pizzas in Philedelphia, when men in plain clothes told him to stop.  He thought he was being robbed, so he jumped in his car and drove away.  The men in plain clothes were cops, opened fire on the car as it was driving away, and Holland could now lose his sight from a gunshot to the head.

    His crime was being “black”, in a hoodie, and driving away from men who he thought was robbing him.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/24/plain-clothes-philly-cops-shoot-hoodie-wearing-pizza-man-who-thought-he-was-being-robbed/

      Bundy avoids the same fate despite guns being pointed at him from a small army, and then he somehow, in a roundabout way, blames the situation on “black” people?

    If he were black, and tried the same thing, this “standoff” would have been over a long time ago.  Few can deny that. This was part of why Chris Hayes has done several segments on this, and one obvius he stated.

    At least the Bundys had the luxury of having the BLM in uniforms when they invaded. Holland didnt get that chance…

    Many people were paying attention to this guy til he started spouting off this “race” stuff, stuff he doesnt appear to even understand.  

    First off, they stopped calling black people “negroes” back in the seventies.  

    Secondly, inferring that an entire race never “learned to pick cotton” makes it sound like he just assumes blacks were never human in the first place.  “Blacks” are descendents of several ancient advanced civilizations that used to exist on this planet, just like every other race.  Bundy makes it sound like blacks were born to do hard labor, and nothing else.  

    He doesnt help his own cause by forgetting other shades of skin are human as well.  

    His plight was not created by black people.  

     Yes, on one level we are all being manipulated. It behooves all to dig deeper and see how and why,  better than just to assume…”oh yeah…those dark people taking all that money is the root of all our problems.” Thats one of the many, many lies manufactured to keep us at each others throats.  

    If we are in fact in a time of healing and revealing, perhaps some supporting him might be able to share this knowledge with him. This is not about race in the least….but if he wants to talk about race and guns in the US, someone needs to tell him about Oscar Grant, Amadou Dialo, and several others who are no longer alive because of this out of control neurosis. Hope we can get past this while learning more of what we need to heal.

    • Alex says:

      Jimisroom,

      Bundy is not spouting of racist or derogatory comments, what he was saying was the plight of blacks in this nation going through a tough battle to gain their civil rights. What he is trying to say is did they really get any better moving off a plantation picking cotton and moved into a targeted world of perpetual discrimination. They were given welfare and handouts and moved into the slums and then targeted with advertisements for malt liquor and targeted with drugs. Then they were targeted by Margaret Sanger with eugenics programs to make them accept sterilization or the abuse of the use of abortion as birth control. So are black better off? Ask yourself, because the way I see it is now we are all in a civil rights fight. Blacks , Mexicans, Whites… all of us. So NO we are not going to accept the filth that the globalists want to give us all under Agenda21 taking our land and targeting our food supply with poisons. You speak up against it and you are a racist. Everytime. Say NO to them and YOU are a racist. Look what Bundy was really saying, get to the meaning of the words. They were not slandering blacks they were asking”what did blacks get? Out of the frying pan and into the fire. What do Mexicans get by coming over here and having anchor babies and living off welfare? What kind of life is that. Is that the American dream? Is that what we all want? Or should we all realize that we ALL are in this together. We should realize that if we ALL don’t stand together and say NO we will all go down the toilet and into the filthy sewer together. Do you see? Look at the video post above of Cliven Bundy actually speaking and tell me,truthfully, that this simple freedom loving family country man is a racist.

      • Jean says:

        I can’t, Alex. He may not be a sophisticated spokesman about race/racism, but, hey, that’s not his job in life, and I think the two newsmen who interviewed him set him up!!! No surprise there. . . Hugs, ~Jean

      • Jean says:

        Well said, Alex, and thanks . . . Bundy isn’t a sophisticated politician, and we shouldn’t expect anything but honest statements of his understandings. If they aren’t quite what we’d like, well, maybe we’d better start looking to our MSM and our educaiton system. . . lots of changes are necessary there :) Hugs, ~Jean

    • jcc says:

      well , thanks for revealing yourself.

  11. Louise says:

    Jean, not sure what to believe anymore. Maybe he did really say all those things and that would be wrong. Maybe he has been misquoted. We have had long discussions about this, and we have decided that even if he were truly racist and did say and mean all of those things, that does not in any way mean that his stand against the land grab by the BLM is not justified. Not a single one of us is perfect in all we do and say, and I am sure I too have opinions that others may fiercely disagree with, but I can also be right. The problem is always that we look at someone as a type o ‘hero’ or role-model and then find that they are not in fact 100% like that. I am very in awe of Putin at the moment, but I do realize that behind that intelligent and quite humane demeanour could be an ice-cold calculating KGB officer – but what he is doing in Ukraine up till now is 100% spot on. Not sure if I have put this case well enough, but even if Bundy did say and mean all that has been said, his stand against the oppression of the BLM remains right – hope I have added my bit

    • Jean says:

      Louise, I’d already reached the same conclusion as you – before I saw the videos of his actual words. . . Thanks for sharing and hugs, ~Jean

  12. Peacer says:

    Ad hominem attacks on Bundy for his alleged racist outlook does not roll back the questions of federal overreach and illegal land grabbing, as well as extraordinary use of force in the effort to resolve the dispute.

    That said, it is absolutely no surprise at all that Bundy would hold these views and/or make these remarks, if he did. Let’s just say I know a thing or two about the American cattle rancher…especially the ones of his generation … and his attitude is typical, both toward “other” and toward the “land.”

    Some of these so-called “backtracks” by republicans are not necessarily backtracks. For instance, Heller views Bundy as a patriot, not a domestic terrorist and then renounces the racism. These are not mutually exclusive or contradictory. Our very first patriots, the founding fathers, held similar views towards the blacks and slavery. It begs the need to define what we mean when we use certain terms, but the ugly truth is that some patriots are bigots. But it doesn’t disqualify them as patriots, as I think we use that term. This is almost inherent to what it means to be a patriot. As I see it, patriot is essentially the same as a nationalist (not necessarily extreme), which by definition regards “other” when it sees folks it does not perceive as “our own.” See? Furthermore, we cannot generalize for all the “militia” who showed up to help Bundy, that they all hold the same racist views, though surely there must be some at least, statistically speaking.

    That Bundy may be a racist must be considered separately from the rejection of the militarized federal tyranny that happened to be highlighted at his ranch. It’s not really about Bundy. This issue will serve as smoke and mirror.

  13. Excellent insight and introduction to the deceptive spin, Jean. We have a great challenge in getting people to recognize when they are being bamboozled.

    IMO, the biggest lesson of the big lies and deceptions is the truth about 9/11–especially WHO DID 9/11. Once it is seen that we cannot trust Congress, the Court, the Executive branch, heads of ABC agencies, mass media and Hollyweird to lead us in a truthful, ethical and moral direction, the goal of steering the human journey away from the cliff is achieved.

    A vast conspiracy of collusion continues. http://911justicecampaign.org

  14. Julie says:

    So-called “Southern Poverty Law Center” is not one bit credible. Unfortunately, they often get the spotlight and succeed in misleading those who are well-intentioned but uninformed.

  15. Reba says:

    Even if he is, how does it change what the BLM did? It’s bait and switch. Kill the messenger because they can’t address the issue.

  16. Maggie says:

    I just listened to an interview between Alex Jones and Cliven Bundy. His statements were twisted, taken out of context, and now being reported by government media that he is a racist. Again, don’t believe the MSM.

  17. DrinkDeep says:

    Gordon Duff has been slamming the people at the ranch as well – according to him, they’re all bankers and operatives, and Bundy “owes 1 million” in taxes – maybe that’s the ’40% disinfo’ part he claims is true of all his statements? Interestingly I don’t see him saying that in print – only on his interviews with Mike Harris
    http://www.renseradioarchives.com/harris/
    Gordon plays both sides of the fence – I don’t really consider him credible anymore (it also annoys me that he’s drawing 100% disability for his military service, yet works for the Dept of Defense heading up the Adamus group…go figure)

    • Jean says:

      I haven’t followed Gordon, because there have been other things he’s said that I just can’t buy into . . . but I’m happy to know this . . . thanks and hugs, ~Jean

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